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Development Update: Aquarium Wow, there's tons of threads about this, so I was trying to clarify issues fast before the announcement went out. I'll cut and edit this later. Q. Fish die!? A. Yah, they have a lifespan. It's running even when you're not logged in, so don't buy fish and put them in your aquarium and go on vacation. You can adjust their lifespan by keeping them happy / miserable. Q. If they die, how do I know I won't buy a dead fish on the marketplace? A. Once you put a fish in your tank, it permanently gets a new "frozen" attribute, which means that you can't transfer possession of it. Decorations can be taken in and out of the tank -- as long as it is out of your tank you can put it on the marketplace per the usual. Q. What are the lock icons? A. We have the concept of "frozen" now, which means that an item is locked to your account and can't be given to someone else. We use it to ensure that a) you buy only new fish, and b) it also immensely helps with out antibot measures (basically, we cut down on Paypal fraud by using a temporary frozen flag -- more information on that later). We also have a new "soulbound" property -- we took this code from the zOMG team. I don't think we have a situation where you'll see this, but you'll see it when zOMG ships. Frozen = blue icon Soulbound = gold icon Q. Cash Shop Only!?!?!? A. Currently, all fish that can be purchased are in the Phin Phang shop. There are also fish granted through DC and the overseer, some of which cannot be purchased in the shops. Q. Your pricing !@#$#@$@$@# A. I'm just a dev, I don't determine pricing. Q. You !#!@#!#@%! It would have been the perfect gold sink. A. True -- but gold sinks bring in no revenue, either. However, the definite impression I'm getting from Site Feedback is that users aren't pissed that some of the items are in the Cash Shop, they're just peeved that all of the items are in the Cash Shop vs. Gold Shop. (I think that the fact that things are available in DC does not offer much amelioration to most users).

Posted by: Panagrammic Wed Sep 24, 2008 @ 07:33pm

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Commented on: Wed Sep 24, 2008 @ 07:49pm


	Thanks for the slight update. I'm just disappointed that you've been the only one to release more information with regards to all the confusion that is the SF right now.

Commented on: Wed Sep 24, 2008 @ 07:53pm


	Thanks so much for the info!!! You have answered my questions!! =)

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Commented on: Wed Sep 24, 2008 @ 07:58pm


	I'd love to know whose idea it was to make things cash only. If you're going to give things away in the DC those odds better be VERY good because you're going to have a ton of people who can't afford to use this feature and it will become neglected and unused once the starter fish "die." This isn't a good move on the part of the people behind the pricing of things. Not good at all.

Commented on: Wed Sep 24, 2008 @ 08:12pm


	Who DOES determine pricing and what goes in the cash shop and what doesn't? Please go give them a swift kick in the pants for me. That would be awesome. I'm not spending another penny on this site, and I know there are plenty of others like me. Ironically, the more money-hungry you guys appear, the less willing people are to give you money.

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Commented on: Wed Sep 24, 2008 @ 08:13pm


	How much more revenue does Gaia really need? With as many members as the site has, nevermind how everyone has aged in the past five years, there are more and more people getting MCs, and the regular cash shoppe (EI's) should be hacking it. I feel that it's unfair to put something like aquariums in the CS simply because all of the other 'things' (cars, houses, etc.) are gold shop items. If you put a few really neat things in the CS, you'd still be getting money. ~A disgruntled Gaian

Commented on: Wed Sep 24, 2008 @ 08:22pm


	It would be nice if the NPC in the feature could explain how long a lifespan can be extended for a perfectly happy fish. As for the Cash or Chance only, I do think that's a mistake. I put 9 accounts through the Daily Chance (I don't usually do that, just when there are new items to be had) and none of them got any Aquarium items. Also, users yesterday got fish through the DC that cost real money in the Cash Shop. That may have been the same glitch that afflicts all new items, but you really shouldn't be giving away items for which you're otherwise requiring real money. I like the inventory locks, though, I'm glad we now have a way to get those. Will there be any way to "soulbind" an item to our inventories manually? I've got dozens of valuable items that I am never selling, and I'd like to protect them in the unfortunate event that I get hacked again sometime down the road. Many users have suggested this feature in one way or another, and I think it would work if you could put a lease on the lock. So you'd renew it every month or three, but if you change your mind you can sell it once the lock expires. The odds of a hacker being in control of your account at the moment your locks expire are exponentially slim. And I do understand why you didn't make it into a gold sink, I even understand why fish die, but I don't understand why they have maximum life expectancies. If a fish is happy and healthy it should stay alive indefinitely.

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Commented on: Wed Sep 24, 2008 @ 08:29pm


	I don't really think making the fish expire AND making them cash only was a good idea. Maybe one or the other, but definitely not both. I might be willing to pay for fish that last a while, but I will definitely not pay for it if I have to watch my pets DIE D: I would just save myself the hardship. Now if it were a gold shop item, well, I'd say it'd be the perfect gold sink. I'd definitely be buying a lot of fish for my tank. I don't even care about decorations, those can be cash shop items. At least they make a bit more sense. But please, please, PLEASE, talk to the people about making fish gold D:

Commented on: Wed Sep 24, 2008 @ 08:34pm


	I for one.. love that there are several free starter fish lol. The feature looks AWESOME and I can't wait to buy what I want from the MP once prices go down. I'm also looking forward to what I can get from the DC and overseer! + Music awesome (Conch Song!) + Funny Item Descriptions = Win + The amount of Customization that's already available is way better than I expected from Gaia (like how when Gaia cars first came out... there was not very much one could do with a car to make it unique.. and with housing its just metal plating and its very expensive to make it look just "nice" whereas.. this tank already looks beautiful without having any fish in it yet!) + Fullscreen = WIN In conclusion... I don't think this will be another "dead" feature. I mean... the EIs are popular even though they're exclusively CS right? As long as I can buy from MP and have the CHANCE of winning free items, I won't complain. Though the ability to buy fish in the future with gold would be nice! Yet, I think would end up buying the CS ones from the MP anyway.

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Commented on: Wed Sep 24, 2008 @ 08:43pm


	Unfortunately, you've just confirmed EVERY single fear of all users of Gaia... gonk

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	Unfortunately, you've just confirmed EVERY single fear of all users of Gaia... gonk

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Commented on: Wed Sep 24, 2008 @ 08:46pm


	The issue is that everything costs cash. It's a cute feature, but it lacks a real "hook". I think that at least the gold fish and a few simple decorations like the town flags could have been gold based, and then everything else could have been free. Things like this need a hook, (no pun intended). Right now, the hook is sort of weak...

Commented on: Wed Sep 24, 2008 @ 08:56pm


	What I have shown you is reality... Please...do me a favor and shoot whoever came up with Cash only items in the foot. Better yet...make them pay for their own stupid fish tank like the rest of us. I love you guys. I truly do. But you just aren't thinking! Sure, we get stuff in the DC but unless you haven't noticed, most of the stuff we get is crap (brown beetles, trash, flowers. Can I feed flowers to my fish? I don't think so.) What Fish items do come from DC will be expensive in the marketplace. Oh yes...the Marketplace. Remember when you said "Oh don't worry. Soon enough things will flower into the marketplace and no worries." Again...you need to shoot the person who came up with this. Have you people actually sat and played in the marketplace? Do you know how the Marketplace vs. Cash Shop works? CS items will ALWAYS be more in the marketplace because people will ALWAYS want to make a profit from something they had to spend real money on. I DO NOT want to pay 7k for a crappy gold fish. I DO NOT want to spend real money on a crappy gold fish that will die in two weeks. I DO NOT want to pay ten bucks for a fish background when I can pay ten bucks to keep my REAL LIFE CAT ALIVE. I understand that you people want to make money and you can do that. But you need to let us buy some fish items with gold. Put all the cool items in the cash shop if you want to. But what part of GOLD SHOP don't you get? If you want us to pay cash only for items PUT THEM IN THE CASH SHOP! That's what it's for! I still can't believe you put off zOMG to give us this? What are you going to do now? Make us pay Cash for zOMG Rings and then tell us "Oh sorry, but you can only use this ring xnumber of times before it expires. Sorry." That is basically the same damn thing! It doesn't make any sense! Please think with your head a little more and less with your wallets! At least crappy Neopets doesn't charge you real money to feed your stupid animal that's going to die anyways! What you remember... that is the illusion.

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Commented on: Wed Sep 24, 2008 @ 09:09pm


	The life expectancy thing is alright I find(just gonna kinda suck while I go home for thanksgiving. Darn Dial-up....lol.) and I like where the fish stuff is "frozen" as it works with the system. It's the cash thing that worries me and I know you're not part of it, but anyways. With the way the fish are with GC, not many will want a GC item that expires. They see it as a bad investment where they can use the same cash for a real goldfish or a plastic fish in a tank that won't die. It's not the expirey thing, it's the mixture of cash and expirey. Something has to be done to balance that or something and you are right. Although stuff is available through the DC doesn't help. Some people don't use the DC for certain reasons(bad internet connection, other PC problems.) and it's just too random for items. I may want a lil' puffer for the tank but may end up only getting accessories and the MP isn't the greatest either as many may see this as a gold maker and justify the gold with the GC or even higher. Some gaians do come on everyday, but they don't make the hoards of gold that may be needed for a puffer and would rather use their gold for their avatar, something that doesn't perish and doesn't need feeding...lol. Well that's my thoughts. Hope everything gets ironed out after. Losaru Taiyo

Commented on: Wed Sep 24, 2008 @ 09:10pm


	Okay, I love you guys, but this feature will be dead for me along with those starter fish in a few weeks or so. Seriously? Cash-only? D: It was such a fun feature and now this...

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Commented on: Wed Sep 24, 2008 @ 09:11pm


	Yes, we are VERY PISSED that there are items only available for Cash. Seriously. You just cut out a MAJORITY of your users by not letting them use gold to buy items. Some cheap fishes that die in the Cash Shop, while some cheap fishes that die in the Gold shop = okay. More expensive fishes = longer life = okay Though... Paying cash for a fish that is just going to die, and it's timer runs out even when you're not playing with it... is stupid. I don't play WoW, but don't they have items that you pay Cash for but they only last a month? I think it's the stupidest idea ever, and it sounds purely like an attempt to milk the users of cash. Really. WE WANT TO PLAY WITH FISHIES. crying We just can't afford it if they're all in the Cash Shop and dying all the time. Edit: I also feel that, if your "higher ups" or whoever makes decisions thinks they have gotten away with this, we will very soon be seeing things like "Pay just 999 Gaia Cash to play the zOMG for a week!" and stuff like that. I just have this HORRIBLE feeling that either 1. zOMG is going to be pay-to-play or 2. all the good items/rings for zOMG are going to be in the cash shop (Oh, you can get rings in the gold shop... but they wont do st and you'll always die). Really. This site is about free-fun. Not making money. Edit 2: Just so you know, I was thinking of buying the Fallen Wish (with cash). Because of the Staff's decision not to offer gold items for the aquarium (and by offer I mean make a MAJORITY of the items be gold items) I have decided NOT to buy that EI. Not a threat. Just showing you how this is HURTING your sales. Because I know for a fact I'm not the only one doing this. I love Gaia. gonk** This is why I try to fight these things that I think are bad for Gaia.

Commented on: Wed Sep 24, 2008 @ 09:16pm


	you are exactly right. we aren;t mad some are, that i would not care about. we are just upset the at the moment all are. it saddnes me to see my empty mostly aqua...just the poor fishes. I understand its not your choice, but if you have any clout (is that the word?) try to tlak them into letting a at least a few fish and backgrounds be gold, not cash

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Commented on: Wed Sep 24, 2008 @ 09:17pm


	I feel so bad for you, Pan, getting all this hate. I don't hate you! I just hate the fact that I can't play with fishies. Could you maybe catch the attention of who decides prices and say, "Hey! Some people can't afford to spend money on pixels even though they really want to support Gaia. Maybe you should make some fish stuff payable in gold so these people won't be poor with their Gaia gold too, just for virtual fish." I LOVE the aquarium. I really do. I just can't afford it.

Commented on: Wed Sep 24, 2008 @ 09:25pm


	You have no idea how much this sucks the fun out of Gaia. neutral 5 very real dollars, or 3 very real euros, for something that expires. Really, whose idea was it? AND, on a gold shop. Do you realize how easy it would be to overlook it was priced with cash and not gold? Kind of makes it look like it was on purpose. edit I understand it's not your fault, so please don't take this as a personal attack. But you really have NO IDEA how much this sucks the fun out of Gaia.

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Commented on: Wed Sep 24, 2008 @ 09:44pm


	Well maye you should make the basic GOLDfish a gold item, and let the decor be cash-only, so that users can still play with the fish.

Commented on: Wed Sep 24, 2008 @ 09:47pm


	Thank you so much for the feedback journal entry. 3nodding Its too bad that the fish shop wasn't a gold shop too. But getting items in games, Daily Chance, and the Marketplace make up for that.

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Commented on: Wed Sep 24, 2008 @ 09:47pm


	Currently, all fish that can be purchased are in the Phin Phang shop. Does this mean there will be fishes buyable with gold in the future? DC is DC, users do not have the patience to go through luck/chance. It offends me to hear goldsinks priority is that low. What's so wrong with having both gold and cash items? It would be win-win for both sides. confused about the whole idea At least move that shop toward the Victoire section, heck, have a separate tab to put all cash items into one place. Don't mix it with the goldshops if all aquarium items in Phin Phang's going to be cash.

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	Whoops, double post. Sorry about that, Gaia's being slow.

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Commented on: Wed Sep 24, 2008 @ 10:11pm


	»ĘмǿЯέжĨç~ÞĨмþ« sigh well thanks for that warning about this in your last journal anyway... (even though you did say "most" not "all" wink about the prices... at the very least, tell the nameless-price-maker-guy that a background should NOT cost more than an MC... i would tell him this part myself, but i don't know who he/she is... the following items are the ones i caught that cost more than $2.50: if you look back at the history of the cash shop, things started out averaging under a dollar, and now most everything (except for the original items and a few others) are over $1 (not even counting evolving items) just go to the cash shop, search all items, sort by low to high, and you'll see what i mean as you go through the pages... when i think of the cash shop, i compare the prices with the price of an MC as a standard price to base all of the other items in there off of for whatever reason... logically, this would lead me to believe "MCs should suck compared to the items that are worth more than them"... anyway, to summarize that paragraph and get to the idea behind it... use the MC price as a standard when pricing items... oh, and one more thing: do you know if there are plans to let the fish you catch in fishing go into the tank? ... like maybe even in the distant future? it would make a great gold-sink if it would cost money to make them aquarium-compatible wink I HAS AN AUTO-FORMAT TOO! SEE?

Commented on: Wed Sep 24, 2008 @ 10:31pm


	I don't think it's fair that fish food is a Cash-only item. I don't think it's fair that some users have to rely on the Daily Chance to feed their fish just so that they don't die right away. Excuse my language, but that's really ******** up. It's one thing if the coolest fish and decorations are in the Cash Shop, but the food is a basic necessity for enjoying the game at all. As it is right now, the Aquarium might as well be a pay-to play feature. It should be available for a small amount of gold, just like all of the other one-time-use game items. Also, I don't want to pay real money for something that's just going to die. Temporary items for money SUCKS. By the way, no fish food in my Daily Chance today.

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Commented on: Wed Sep 24, 2008 @ 10:48pm


	I know other companies have utilized expiring items as a source of revenue, so I shouldn't be surprised that Gaia chose to experiment down that path. I'll give you kudos for at least choosing to implement it in a way that makes logical sense. (Fish can die.) I think Gaians are fairly accepting of things being in the cash shop. You don't have to get EIs, but they're just the hottest items out there. Same for MCs (though less). I guess I can see this as a step away from Faunzy. It also was only available through cash, but at least it had guaranteed results and doesn't go away. I don't like expiring items, it will limit my useage of this feature. Also, you said that making them happy can affect their lifespan...can it take a fish that lives say 2 weeks and make it live forever? Or 3 weeks? What kind of effect, I'm very curious about that. I'm disappointed with the feature overall, and I can't devote 2 weeks of constant care to virtual fish at this moment in my life, but I'll be watching the forums carefully to see how things work EXACTLY. Getting stuff from Daily Chance is like a band-aid on a flesh wound~

Commented on: Wed Sep 24, 2008 @ 10:52pm


	Oh well... At the moment I'm really disappointed. I live in Germany and the Gaia Cash I can order using PayPal is strictly limited. Other ways to order Gaia Cash are either impossible or much too expensive for me. So I surely won't spend my limited Gaia Cash for FISH that DIES in a few weeks instead of cool EIs, collectibles or other items that I can KEEP. At least the fish should be available for Gaia Gold. As long as my starter fishes live, I will use the aquarium, but be sure I won't buy any aquarium items just for this couple of weeks. As for the marketplace: The prices of the fishies will remain high since their value is related to the CS prices. And I'm not willing to pay 1-2K for something that dies in a few weeks. As for the dailies: Sorry I don't have big faith in them since I get 99% of worthless crap. Though it was announced that they'll give us more valuable stuff, it has gotten worse. So I'm afraid getting fishies of the dailies will be as rare as finding a Golden Legs in towns.

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Commented on: Wed Sep 24, 2008 @ 11:03pm


	Let me just start off by saying, I am not upset with you specifically, I actually think you're pretty cool and I respect the work you do. I just feel the need to have my thoughts known--- With that being said, I won't ever participate in Aquariums, and I'm now even LESS inclined to spend ANY of my real money on the site for anything. That's really dumb to charge real money for fish that will expire at one point or another. I'm not even wanting to participate in the free aspect of it, nor will I buy Cash Shop (PhinPhang, whatever, same nonsense) items on the MP because the whole feature just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I guess now that "whomever decides pricing" knows they can charge users real money for stuff that dies, now our EI's are going to die, and MC's will fray/get damaged/won't fit anymore/die (if they're a creature), so we'll need to re-buy those every 6 weeks too. rolleyes The TL;DR of it all--- whoever decided to charge real money for fish that can die in 6 weeks as opposed to upgrading Fishing and letting us put our fish from that in a fish tank (and maybe adding some cool cash-only items) has made an extraordinarily idiotic decision. I was totally into this feature way back when it was just an idea, and now I think it's disgusting how it was carried out.

Commented on: Wed Sep 24, 2008 @ 11:22pm


	I feel bad for you, Pan, because you're getting lots of hate for being awesome and stepping up and addressing these questions. Just know that most of the hate isn't directed toward you, it's a general frustration aimed at the collective decision. It often feels like no one is listening to users' complaints, so thanks for dealing with all this and actually showing us that YOU listen. heart I already commented in your last journal on why I think this is a bad idea economically for Gaia that will discourage the adoption of Aquariums, so I'll just say again, thank you for showing you're listening and showing you care. heart

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Commented on: Wed Sep 24, 2008 @ 11:24pm


	i was super excited to log in and see the announcement but mine seems to be down at the moment. confused call this a placeholder wink* * *edit* ok, mine's working now. biggrin i'm not sure what some of the folks are howling about. i saw no food for sale in the mp or phin phang - near as i can tell food is free? i will say that i hope the dc and overseer are liberal with the aquarium items so the non-shop ones will come down to a more attainable price. all things considered, i love my fishy! i do wish people would just mellow out though. salutes pan you sir, must have skin made of pure impenatranium to be able to tolerate the abuse you're receiving. i for one think you completely rock!

Commented on: Wed Sep 24, 2008 @ 11:28pm


	Thank you. A couple of my questions have been answered.

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Commented on: Wed Sep 24, 2008 @ 11:35pm


	(Sorry this is so long) TL;DR: Great job on whoever developed it, but as others said, kick that one marketing guy in the balls and tell him to stop using stock market. Well, I'm sorry that you're the one getting the crap about the pricing. Its probably a good thing that you didnt give us their name and/or address. ninja (Though it definitely should be cut in half.) The locking thing is definitely a good feature. I didnt expect it, but it sounds good to me! I thought the fish's life span would reset with the next buyer like Faunzy's Flute, but then the same guy could just buy it and then put it back in their tank good as new again. And giving us a sneak peek at what might become of items in zOMG! Dying fish is a very reasonable thing to me, now that I've realized, because you guys most likely wont take out the fish from the store. (Or maybe you might and you should probably tell us!) Because then they're ONLY coming and and never going out of circulation until they die in someones tank. Or there's no way to remove them from the tank, and you get an a**-load of fish that you cant get rid of. So the pricing would go down like the bullseye t-shirt, and people wouldn't want to buy more fish because they're content with "Bubbles" or "Trevor" and it would get over crowded. I love the music, especially the one where you go to the car shop. xd I used to leave that page open just for the music. The page looks really nice. (Having some saving issues, but it looks like they're fixing it up.) Option for hi/low quality for the dial-ups! (Or at least I think that was there when I last went.) Some hints on what kind of things the fish like would be great. Even if the store NPC said a little hint once in a while. ;;>.> I had to toy around with the tank for a while just to get my goldfish to be a little happy. Also, if its possible, to be able to name the fish would be great. xd Although it might be more sad when they die.

Commented on: Wed Sep 24, 2008 @ 11:39pm


	I am here for no purpose other than to kill the messenger. ... jk. Thanks for taking heat just so people can be more informed about Gaia Aquarium.

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Commented on: Wed Sep 24, 2008 @ 11:48pm


	"...they're just peeved that all of the items are in the Cash Shop vs. Gold Shop." Because you're paying real life money for fish that expire. neutral I don't care if you have to make them happy to keep them longer-living; the concept alone of dying pixel fish for real money is... is... AUGH! stressed This is Gaia's curse at it again: the idea is nice, but the execution of it is poor. Extremely poor.

Commented on: Thu Sep 25, 2008 @ 12:52am


	I think that most of us would really like to know who is responsible for pricing items so that we may voice our grievances to the proper person(s). Personally, I think you did a wonderful job on the aquarium. Too bad I will never be using it unless the re-adjust the cash-only nonsense. They get enough of my money already for Mc's and EI's. I am not going to be throwing my cash down the toilet via dead pixel fish. It is an insult to our intelligence. We are not idiots.

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Commented on: Thu Sep 25, 2008 @ 01:12am


	I Bet you We have to Pay to Play zOMG.

Commented on: Thu Sep 25, 2008 @ 01:16am


	¤´¨) ¸.·´¸.·´¨) ¸.·¨) (¸.·`¤~So from my understanding, the better you take care of your fish, the longer they last. Does this mean that the fish can live long beyond their "Life Expectancy"?¤´¨) ¸.·´¸.·´¨) ¸.·¨) (¸.·´ (¸.·`¤~

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Commented on: Thu Sep 25, 2008 @ 01:57am


	Quote: I Bet you We have to Pay to Play zOMG. Gaiapocalypse?

Commented on: Thu Sep 25, 2008 @ 02:09am


	Just a few small questions. 1.Why does the fish only have 2 weeks to live? 2.Why does the fish cost gaia cash? Really i don't see why people should buy the fish if they are going to die in two weeks,it doesn't seem fair to the buyer if they pay real money for virtual fish,they would be better off playing insanaquarium (which is like this but more features and boss battle ect). can you please explain that? Looking for people who make signs. Make me a sign and you will be rewarded 5-10k # of people rewarded so far-6 Visit This Shop

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Commented on: Thu Sep 25, 2008 @ 02:10am


	Just a few small questions. 1.Why does the fish only have 2 weeks to live? 2.Why does the fish cost gaia cash? Really i don't see why people should buy the fish if they are going to die in two weeks,it doesn't seem fair to the buyer if they pay real money for virtual fish,they would be better off playing insanaquarium (which is like this but more features and boss battle ect). can you please explain that? Looking for people who make signs. Make me a sign and you will be rewarded 5-10k # of people rewarded so far-6 Visit This Shop

Commented on: Thu Sep 25, 2008 @ 02:11am


	No kidding the MP ain't going to cut it. All cash shop? Was anyone thinking when that was voted on? Not to mention Aquariums are already offline. Congrats on a failure well done.

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Commented on: Thu Sep 25, 2008 @ 02:15am


	Whew, i;ve never seen so many grumpy users in one thread as the one for aquariums I know you are not in the loop for the pricing but the art and design of this really neat idea is being totally lost in the @#%%@@^^@#%@%. Keep up the great work!.

Commented on: Thu Sep 25, 2008 @ 02:28am


	I want to say first and for most that I do not hate you or any of the staff, I'm just getting a bit frustraited and don't mean to seem like I do. I also applaud you for being on of, if not the only staff to come forward and address these things. The users are not mostly pissed at the GC, they're pissed that they're paying GC for something that'll die. If it'll die, gold. If it won't, cash. Simple. There are a fair number that hate the GC period, yes, but I think it's a more fair trade off to atleast start that way. I was super excited to hear about fish tanks. These were my thoughts. "Finally, I don't have to work to take care of my fish! Oh wait...I do. Meh, can't be that bad they won't die right....right? Oh wait they do....oh well, not everything will be cash right....well atleast the NPC is cool!!!!" Honestly, if it wasn't for the NPC and her story I'd be a volcano right now. This is honestly bad business tactic. People wanted fish for one or both of two reasons: 1) To show off the fish they caught from the lake 2) To have fish that won't die. So it only makes sense to not do both and make it a cash grab. How much money does Gaia need, guys? Really? Are you THAT much in trouble? if I wanted a fish that died, I'd go buy one from Wal-Mart. I'm not going to pay money for one that's not real that'll die. Come on, I know you guys are better than that. I really fear that if this keeps up Gaia will be dead in about a year. You need to find the people who keep pushing money for everything AND TELL THEM TO SLOW DOWN. Honestly, you can't use the market for everything. If that's the solution for everything why not make all the NPC shops cash only, huh? It's like a store only letting a certain race buy from it and saying, 'oh, don't worry, you can just go buy it on ebay!.' Yeaaaa, it probably wouldn't do so great. Gaia was pretty good up until 2006. Something happened there that created a slow transition to this point. At first, users were pretty tolerant. Now, not so much. And why do you think that is? Because of constant poor descisions. When it started, it was just mistakes here and there that everyone makes. Now it's one thing after the other with almost no room to breath and it's rather frustraiting. I still have a little bit of faith in you that I'm despratly trying to hold on to and after this horrible descision it's hard. I know that I, and probably many others would be more willing to give to a site that gives user needs before money grabs than 'hmm, how can I charge cash for this feature users have been wanting for ages?.' Yes, I know you guys are trying to find ways to benefit the site. But read what I just said. A loyal site will get more money than a cash grabby one. Users only have so much money. So please please PLEASE reconsider these things and think CAREFULLY. The MP isn't the answer to everything. If it was, there would be no point in gold shops would there? Just make 'em all cash then, people can just use the market. Right? The smartest thing to do would have been have most of the 'premier' stuff gold, with a few premium CS things. Then as time progresses, they would even out. When a theme park opens, they usually have special deals and stuff for the first little while. Same here. It makes sense, no? It also doesn't make sense to not make it a gold sink. Are we just eliminating sinks then? If you want users to use the market so bad, wouldn't it be logical to help fix it? I think it would be. I don't want to have to beg, all I can say is please D: Please, smarten up. I know you're better than that. I know there's still that little glimmer in the back of your mind that would rather please user wants over money grabs. Right? ;-; I mean, you came up with the story line for the new shop NPC (It'll take me a while to get her name right xD) with a pretty shocking pair as parents and an amusing script, so there has to be some glimmer left. Thank you if you actually read through that entire wall of text o.o;

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Commented on: Thu Sep 25, 2008 @ 02:30am


	i needed gold u !@#$#@$@$@# Mee.(: i liek photo editss.;; x)

Commented on: Thu Sep 25, 2008 @ 02:32am


	Well, by the time I finally get to SEE my aquarium, my starter fish will probably be already dead .... I'm still waiting to get in .... I still get the "We're sorry, but your aquarium is still in maintenance, try again later" .... hope I get to say hi to my little pixellated friends before their expiration date .... sweatdrop cry confused One question: With all the time and effort they spent on this, they could have FIXED ALL THE FISHING GLITCHES, UPDATED THE SERVERS TO ACCEPT THE LATEST VERSIONS OF FLASH AND SHOCKWAVE SO THAT THEY WORKED, SMOOTHED OUT PROBLEMS WITH GOING INTO TOWNS WITHOUT FREEZING, OR OUR AVI'S RUNNING AROUND IN CIRCLES GOING NOWHERE, AND SPEEDED THINGS UP BY TAKING THOSE *&$%)!! ADS OUT WHICH SLOW THINGS DOWN TO A CRAWL OR RUN ACROSS YOUR PAGE WHILE YOU ARE TRYING TO WORK THINGS, ETC. And UNLESS I get anything in the DC, my tank will probably remain empty, for I too am not going to pay for fish that are going to die in a couple of weeks, or even 15 weeks if I have to pay cash for them. I'm going to save my money for EI's and MC's ... I don't mind donating to help support Gaia, but that is utterly RIDICULOUS to put it mildly. QUESTING! WHITE pebbos BUMP UP IF GLOWING PLEASE! (CLICK HERE)! Cathulu & ENKI say thanks!

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Commented on: Thu Sep 25, 2008 @ 02:41am


	If decorations were cash items and the fish, which die and have to be repurchased, were gold items it would be fine, but buying fish repeatedly with cash is ridiculous. Also, seeing as those fish will be in continuous demand, the market prices will never be stable like they would on decorations x_x And considering the odds of getting an octopus in Daily Chance is more than likely very rare, if at all possible, it's not much comfort =

Commented on: Thu Sep 25, 2008 @ 02:47am


	Not too happy about the locked feature. What if you do not want an aquarium? May be on only sporadicly and fish die, can't afford to buy more fish. Feel lock or soul bound should not be. Nice addition to Gaia though. If you work shifts of 12 hrs, my fish would always die. crying

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Commented on: Thu Sep 25, 2008 @ 02:57am


	but gold sinks bring in no revenue, either. so keeping users happy therefore making them more willing to spend money is obviosly a stupid idea rolleyes love of god... facepalm

Commented on: Thu Sep 25, 2008 @ 03:18am


	Leave it to Gaia to give users something they asked for in a completely horrid way. You know good and well when users asked for aquariums they wanted to be able to put the fish the caught from Fishing in it. But, noooooo. Nice one.

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Commented on: Thu Sep 25, 2008 @ 03:25am


	I think it's more the 'paying cash for items that expire' that really has people in an uproar. They'd be much more accepting of cash only if the cash only items didn't die.

Commented on: Thu Sep 25, 2008 @ 03:28am


	If I wanted to use my real money on fish I would buy real fish! I have no problem with some of the aquarium stuff being CS, but all of it!!! What the ********?! Way to alienate a good chunk of the gaia population. Yeah yeah you can get it on the MP and daily chance, but it's just not the same, not to mention extremely over priced. I realize that not all of this is your fault, but I'm sure you can understand that a lot of poeple are frustrated about this.

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