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Development Update 4/21
Bugs I'm Tracking
If you have any information on any of these, let me know!
- CDN problem in the Phillipines (avatars not showing up properly)
- editing of profiles has been broken for a while? Anyone care to describe this one? It seems to work for me.

Passwords
I had promised to explain how exactly we can verify your password without knowing your password, so if you're interested in the extreme nitty gritty details, go here.

Find Friends
We're redoing the friends interface. You'll note we've done minor tweaks over the past couple of weeks -- made the upper limit 500, for example, or giving you the ability to easily approve a bunch of friend requests -- but we've got a whole new shiny interface coming in the next week or two, and we've made it a lot easier to find your friends on Gaia by searching your address books on other sites.

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Over the next several months, you'll see a lot of other changes done to try and make Gaia more of a "friendly" place -- that is, it should be easier to find both old and new friends.

Which leads us into the discussion of the new account option we added. Basically, we added an option to allow you to choose whether or not a friend could find you on Gaia:

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The question that comes up is this: why did we default this to "yes"?

We went back and forth (and back and forth, and back and forth, and back and forth...) on this, but finally decided to default to yes, for the following reason: we aren't giving any information away other than just the fact that you use Gaia. Given how easy it is to make new mail accounts, and the number of avenues for anonymity, we thought that it was a reasonable course of action to take.

Longcats and The Philosophy of Persuasion
User ImageI should perhaps bypass contentious issues, but given that it's been affecting the site for the past week, it seems apropos to talk about this. I am predisposed to believing that the Gaia community, as a whole, is mature enough that I can discuss it.

So, the basic story: Gaia made a virtual item based on a internet meme that was originally based on a photo. In the description of the item there was even a mention of the internet site that originally promoted the meme. The internet site was displeased, and decided to try and spam and phish until the item is removed from the marketplace.

When the artists do an item that is based on an idea or concept from somewhere else, the thought in their heads isn't, "I'm going to rip this off!" It's much more like, "This is a cool idea, and I'd love to pay tribute to it." An example: the towels that we recently released should strike a note with anyone who has read the Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy. There are certain limitations in what we can use: legally we can't take copyrighted/trademarked things and make items out of them, so you will almost certainly never see the Official Harry Potter Sorting Hat(tm) in the stores. But that does leave us with a huge selection of ideas and memes that are available in the public domain, and in fact, the use and reuse of memes is what makes them so very popular. Without the ORLY owl being taken up and popularized, it would be a super-obscure Internet trivia question instead of a well-established meme.

Over the past couple of weeks we've seen spam and trolling and phishing attacks up by some measurable percentage, so there is a non-zero effect there. In some ways this entire thing has been really good for the site: some companies pay for security testing, and we're getting it for free.

The tactics are loathsome. Forcing gruesome images on unsuspecting people is a juvenile tactic at the innermost core, and does not endear me to the aims of the group. Nor do such tactics as botting the moderator reports -- they were deliberately injecting false reports, which means that legitimate safety issues might have been delayed.

But there are some aspects of this which show the fundamental strength of Gaia. I worry about the effect of this on the new users, the ones that aren't as knowledgeable about phishing and scams and whatnot, but I can't tell you how many times I've been reading a thread with some question, have started thinking about a reply, and then found that it is properly answered by another Gaia user. On the whole I've been impressed by the reserve and intelligence of the community.

And the dev team is here, day and night, watching over Gaia.






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Q Cumba FX
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commentCommented on: Thu Apr 24, 2008 @ 01:20pm
I like the shiny new interface, but is that all the colour it's going to have? sweatdrop
Heh, I like the rejected memes xd


commentCommented on: Thu Apr 24, 2008 @ 01:49pm
=O=O=O=O
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commentCommented on: Thu Apr 24, 2008 @ 02:03pm

Aww, we love you guys, so we try to look at things from your perspective. The users are far more close to each other than anyone (even me) suspects.

Thank you for always being there for us. wink


commentCommented on: Thu Apr 24, 2008 @ 02:09pm
And the dev team is here, day and night, watching over Gaia.
I am the Darkness. I am the Night. I. AM. BATMAN.

I don't personally know about the editing profiles being broken; albeit I am using the v1.5 (old school) profiles.

I think raids (blame eBaum wink ) are pretty childish, true, but I think that there are some other outlying factors. The raiders, whoever they might be ( wink ), have had no one to raid pretty much except for 0day raids on Habbo. They were just fired up to raid anyone to get the stress of going day to day without being able to rickroll/2g1c/duckroll/BIG1 anyone. They saw Gaia's wonderful stretch-feline-inspired items and decided to let loose their massive brunt force child.

EDIT\ CAPTCHA was men, trolled. How fitting. xD



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commentCommented on: Thu Apr 24, 2008 @ 02:10pm
Keep up the good work. wink


commentCommented on: Thu Apr 24, 2008 @ 05:03pm
God, thank you so much for addressing the raids. I think it's good to keep it out of the official announcements (for the most part, though the little hints at it have been an effective measure) but I'd love to see more developers address it and their thoughts on it. Reasoned arguments against the raiders such as this one are very nice to hear. And thank you for not escalating matters in any way with public admonishments or attempts at vendetta. I imagine they will just get bored eventually or move onto the next target to attract their ire. Thanks for weathering the storm, to all of you.

And I'd no idea about them botting the reporting system. Way to go mods for putting up with that.



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commentCommented on: Thu Apr 24, 2008 @ 05:07pm
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When the artists do an item that is based on an idea or concept from somewhere else, the thought in their heads isn't, "I'm going to rip this off!" It's much more like, "This is a cool idea, and I'd love to pay tribute to it."
Ugh. This just didn't turn out well, even though you guys payed tribute. Reason?

Gaia Drama, buildup against Gaia that's been going on for a while, bored idiots, then word getting around to sites that do raids. Just bored people who I don't think care otherwise. No one was taking the idea seriously at first, and it was a couple days before I saw a "serious" topic about doing something against Gaia.

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All That Aside - Thanks for the update. It's been a good read. Back to work!


commentCommented on: Thu Apr 24, 2008 @ 05:56pm
the fact that ignored list got changed to enemies amuses me greatly. xd



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commentCommented on: Thu Apr 24, 2008 @ 06:02pm
Ahaha, Pan, why don't you work for the art team again?

I can't say I'm surprised at the elongated feline-related drama; those sites hate us, they're just using it as a...catalyst, if you will (pun totally not intended I swear!!!!!). I mean, they raid us anyway, now the sheep in that festering herd just have an excuse. In a way, it's kind of funny, I can't think of any other group on the internet that is so predictable and can be puppeted so easily (except for maybe us? rofl ).

@Profile editing problems: I don't know if this is what the people who brought it up were referring to, or even if it's something intentional, but I've noticed when editing my mules profile (the new version), you can no longer get rid of all the default boxes. You can 'x' them all out, but when you hit save, they all appear again. It's actually been happening for a while, but I never thought to bring it up because again, I figured it might have been intentional. Just throwing it out there.


commentCommented on: Thu Apr 24, 2008 @ 06:05pm
xd I remember someone getting pissed because the group was pretty much giving away the exploits. They believe that they're winning but really.. I've only seen one win on Gaia. That was the friends@ scare. In which case, that feature has never been added back since then.

I love how users have acted for the most part so far. :3 I think part of it has to do with adblock and other features. I know that there are groups of users in their favorite forum working on removing the stuff asap (be it through reports on Gaia or photobucket).

But besides the drama stuffs, I like the new friend things. XD I think I have most of my friends already on my list but it's a cool search feature. I hope some color gets added to the new friendlist. ^^; I don't like the idea of "enemies." That just seems like it would create more drama between the two. D:



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commentCommented on: Thu Apr 24, 2008 @ 06:12pm
Getting security testing for free? ninja I smell a money-saving conspiracy. Time to spread this over the forums as Gaia's way to save money. A couple of misquotes here, misinterpretations there, and I can make this look evil. >D

Or at least I would but the captchas keep coming out unintentionally funny. You win this round, Gaia.


commentCommented on: Thu Apr 24, 2008 @ 06:12pm
Being interested in law, I always understood why Gaia couldn't make copy-righted items and why they were able to do the lolcat and other meme ones. I had to explain it to a few friends, but I love your wording. I might just link to your journal when I feel lazy. ^.^ Thanks <3



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commentCommented on: Thu Apr 24, 2008 @ 06:12pm
While the 'enemies' tab is certainly funny and good for lulz, I think using the term enemy is incorrect and certainly not why I ignore people or why I have ignored them.

For me to consider them an enemy they must have some serious misdemeanour and nobody on my ignore list has gone that far, so lets just stick with an ignored tab rather than an enemies tab, please?


commentCommented on: Thu Apr 24, 2008 @ 07:03pm
The longcat thing just makes me rolleyes because the bottom line is, if it IS indeed copyrighted or private property of someone, they'd have a heck of a lot of lawsuits to file against people. Longcat has been around for awhile (years?), and nobody has spoken up about it... so it's public domain. The trolls have no case.

They're saying how "omg we're breaking the site" or whatnot, and all I've seen thus far is just gore/porn spam, phishing attempts (some are quite clever/aggressive), and just disruptiveness. neutral Um ok, so... where's the big OMGZZZ GAIA IS BROKED!!!????

If anything, they have improved the site -- we have needed CAPTCHAs for a good year or two (when bots first started screwing up the sites daily functioning), as well as more security features.

The one thing that makes me mad is all the people who say either:
1. "omg there is porn and gore pics all over, the mods do nothing" because it's not true. If you report it, they will take care of it. It's not fair to say because often there is one Online Mod in a forum where 10-20 troll/bots are spamming the forum faster than anybody can keep up with.

2. Or they post some hysteria-inducing topic about how "omg the games server is down b/c of hackers!" or "i cant see my avi b/c of hackers!" or whatever non-related technical issue is blamed on "hackers"...

With that being said, I need to get a straight answer on something: Last week when Profiles were being worked on, I noticed my Account settings had been changed. Was that something that had to do with the issue with Profiles, with whatever fix went on with Profiles, or is it something else? This happened to a few other people that I know of. It was really unsettling to see, and the part I didn't like was that the "You're leaving Gaia" redirect page option was set to No, as if they had been changed to potentially set me up for an off-site scam. Just curious about this.

I've actually been impressed with some "newbie" users lately. It seems like the message of "don't give out your password ever" has finally become more known to the community. Now there are a lot of people who are TOO careful, but that's good. 3nodding I think people fall less for the PM scams anymore, but instead fall for off-site log-in pages. It's scary because they mask the fake log in pages behind "vote for me" or "big give-away" banners, and one group of bots went so low as to hide their phishing scam behind a "prevent hackings!" banner. gonk



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commentCommented on: Thu Apr 24, 2008 @ 08:25pm
@Smaddy: You brokeded my Gaias. emo

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commentCommented on: Thu Apr 24, 2008 @ 08:50pm
I have the CDN problem and live in Canada. Whats the dilli yo.



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commentCommented on: Thu Apr 24, 2008 @ 09:09pm
My profile was out for a while but I believe it's back up now.
Friends UI looks good; simple and clean, just the way I like it.
As for that meme thingy..... all I can say is when will people grow up? Those future predictions of shiny stuff looks like it'll never happen with people continuing to be complete arces (excuse the language please).
I can think of one place that would do such a thing but I don't want to name names (and you might've already guessed).

As for the dev team watching day and night, do you guys have like a 24 hour Starbucks on premises? That's gotta but tough but it's nice to know Gaia has such dedicated and awesome dev teams smile


commentCommented on: Thu Apr 24, 2008 @ 11:08pm
That's great you're getting free security testing. Reminds me of a time some doofus sent me my site's database password to me via email (what a nice guy). The password itself was alphanumeric about 20+ chars, so he didn't guess it. Well, I just took it as a comment that I needed to have a re-think. Result is that the db password is now handled differently, and I'd like to see that bloke do it again.

oh, btw: Previewing a comment shows your original post sans parsed BBCode. also there is no nl2br:

[b]Bugs I'm Tracking[/b]
If you have any information on any of these, let me know!
- CDN problem in the Phillipines (avatars not showing up properly)
- editing of profiles has been broken for a while? Anyone care to describe this one? It seems to work for me.

[b]Passwords[/b]

etc....



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commentCommented on: Fri Apr 25, 2008 @ 01:07am
The longcat item was cute but I really wish it was a LongKiki and LongCoco item instead. sad Too late now to change it though.


commentCommented on: Fri Apr 25, 2008 @ 01:55am
Happycat is a meme.
He was like, the original LOLcat. Lurk Moar.
XD



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commentCommented on: Fri Apr 25, 2008 @ 05:05am
honestly, i have to say i love you for that clarification on the meme items, and its nice to see, as always, someone going into detail about what actually happened.


commentCommented on: Fri Apr 25, 2008 @ 05:56am
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- editing of profiles has been broken for a while? Anyone care to describe this one? It seems to work for me.

Odd that no one has mentioned this yet: in the newer Profiles, the info boxes cannot be moved. Clicking them and trying to drag them to a new location fails.



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commentCommented on: Fri Apr 25, 2008 @ 07:24am
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some companies pay for security testing, and we're getting it for free.

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commentCommented on: Fri Apr 25, 2008 @ 08:04am
See, meme is a real word. Last time I tried it, Word Bump still wouldn't accept it. . . stressed

But thanks for the update and for your all-hours work on the site. Your dedication is appreciated. domokun



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commentCommented on: Fri Apr 25, 2008 @ 02:30pm
I agree with all that you said about the recent raids happening with Gaia. I think its very immature that they go in and post discussing pictures and trying to phish the site for passwords. Over a silly meme. But its giving Gaia security testing so bring it on!!


commentCommented on: Fri Apr 25, 2008 @ 05:34pm
Thanks ever so much for your patient, kindly journals. I look forward to the education you offer to us all.

I'm filled with awe daily at the wonder-filled and wise community that Gaiaonline is.

**Granny-Hugs** for you and the "Team".

Oh. Is that why sometimes I just see the codes and not the images in my siggy?
(Those timed hatching aquatic eggys?)


Oh. I see 'em in the preview. Hmmmm. heart


I LOVE GAIA. You can't make me.

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commentCommented on: Fri Apr 25, 2008 @ 06:21pm
Quote:

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- editing of profiles has been broken for a while? Anyone care to describe this one? It seems to work for me.


Odd that no one has mentioned this yet: in the newer Profiles, the info boxes cannot be moved. Clicking them and trying to drag them to a new location fails.


It didn't work for a while, but now it works for me. I can move boxes around again.


commentCommented on: Fri Apr 25, 2008 @ 06:38pm
@Gamine, Platonix: Okay, problems with closing default boxes, and problems with moving the boxes. We'll take a look at it.

@Smaddy: Hmmm, yah, your profile was one of the ones that was affected. The profile virus modified the profile, but as far as we can tell it actually turned the redirect warning *on*.

@France Hopper: I wish we had a Starbucks on premise! There is one about 5 minutes away, but it closes early, so we're left drinking the Gaia coffee, which had a previous life as paint thinner.

@Cube B: No, no, LOLcat and Happy Cat are totally different. LOLcat is paired with grammatically incorrect phrases; Happy Cat instead travels the world with his posse of kittens and puppies and bunnies, doing good deeds and leaving bouquets of flowers on the doorsteps of people that need cheering up.



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commentCommented on: Fri Apr 25, 2008 @ 07:47pm
Paint thiner? Oh man that's brutal. You guys really are really hardcore. Thanks for replying though smile

But I do have something new to bring up....
Gaia was acting very weird when I signed on. I had a new announcement alert but when I clicked it it returned a permission denied. Then when I went to check the two PMs I had, things loaded abnormally slow and when I clicked delete all, some graphics didn't even show.

Just though I should bring it up.


commentCommented on: Sat Apr 26, 2008 @ 02:03am
I think that it's sad that people have nothing better to do then try and ruin people's internet time. I mean, it makes me angry but it makes me wonder why they have so much time on their hands... and why they think a meme is worth all of that trouble. :/

Oh well, something good came from it so it's okay. The site is more secure than it was before, which is always a plus. And yay for free security testing. ;D

idleness? That's a word o_o;; I didn't know that... yay for captchas teaching you stuff.



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commentCommented on: Sat Apr 26, 2008 @ 02:57am
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I've never had much respect for hackers,let alone those immature morons from sites like you know who.If they have time to go up in arms over a meme,then I think they have time to go and actually do something constructive like read or draw or write a program.Of course,that would make entirely too much since when trying to being an a** is more satisfying and shows how impudent you are.Anyway,I think the rise in attacks like this has pretty much just done the opposite and made people more aware of what's going on to try and cut these problems down,though I don't think it should call rise for there to be any turmoil just because it's happening.Plus the security for the site has improved a great deal,don't know of too many sites that do try all they can to protect the community.

At any rate,I just wish people would use they common sense regarding these things,and as far as the meme thing,the idiots causing the problem out to know unless the item made is copyrighted or the original creator comes forth,it is considering public domain unless otherwise.Not as smart as they want everyone to think,huh?

I do like the new interface for the friend list,however I am not thrilled about the enemies tab.It seems like alot of folks will try to abuse that and cause unnecessary dramatics.

Like Dreams mentioned,I appreciate you as usual going into detail regarding these things o people can have a better understanding of what's going without jumping to outrageous conclusions.I don't know who's better at this:you,Juno,or DARKNRGY.AI think the Captcha is the best thing to happen to Gaia,is causing people to learn new words.Btw,your drawings amuse me xd .







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commentCommented on: Sat Apr 26, 2008 @ 03:24am

(as of April 25, 2008 7:19 pm)
Thank you Thank you Thank you for fixing our problem!!!
It took you less than a week to do so too! (such service!!!)
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---edit---(as of April 28, 2008 5:05 am)
I seem to be having the cdn problem again....
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commentCommented on: Sat Apr 26, 2008 @ 05:19am
Sadly some of my friends have seen those images, though I have not! I am glad someone appreaciates the good on this community and I thank you and the development team for keeping this a safe place! heart heart


commentCommented on: Mon Apr 28, 2008 @ 12:05am
Ok here comes a really dumb question: How do I move the trash and bugs I collected in Towns to my inventory? Like for example, in towns I have some blue butterflies but my I goto the organize my inventory screen, they don't appear.

Is this a bug or what?

EDIT: I've also tried switching to the game and special tabs but still no luck.


Nevermind. I got an answer to that in a PM.



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commentCommented on: Mon Apr 28, 2008 @ 10:46am
I can see my avi and some people's avis but others I cannot see. It happened just today at noon Philippine time. I only use one computer. Browser is Firefox 2.0.0.14 and IE, Firewall is Windows, Ad blocker is Firefox ad blocker, Windows XP, dsl is my connection.


commentCommented on: Mon Apr 28, 2008 @ 10:55am
Um, is there any possibility of having Tektek added to the image-hosting "whitelist"? sweatdrop



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commentCommented on: Mon Apr 28, 2008 @ 12:31pm

Once again, I can not see any avatars, nor play games. D:

Hope you get it fixed quick [again] C:


commentCommented on: Mon Apr 28, 2008 @ 10:10pm
I still can't view any trailers and so yet again, I can't complete quests (or should I just call them interactive ADs...)

I can get into a screen but nothing ever loads.

I've provided a screenshot for more details include a capture of my Mac sys specs.
Is the reason I have a Mac and Safari? If it is, that's weak. Really weak.
Note I have everything set to the lowest options possible (and the screen number if that counts for anything)

http://eric.nintendofreaks.com/zreo/crap/picdump/gaiastuff/Picture 1.png
http://eric.nintendofreaks.com/zreo/crap/picdump/gaiastuff/Picture 2.png

So yeah. What's the deal with that? (And I've made a thread about this in the past)



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commentCommented on: Tue Apr 29, 2008 @ 06:31am

Finally, I found the entry.
I don't really know why the CDN's happening at my place (Philippines).
But it is happening to me.
I had to clean my cache over and over just to see my avatar.
Oh, and I use Firefox. I've tried using IE but it has the same case.

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commentCommented on: Wed Apr 30, 2008 @ 03:27am
Wow, thanks so much for explaining the raids about the longcats and such!! This has been very helpful to understand what was really going on since it made me a little confused when the items first came out. I like the meme's that were created for Gaia and am glad they were brought to this site even though another site wasn't so pleased. They were still creative in their own special way and I think it was stupid that people had to act the way they did about it so negatively. I really appreciate what you guys do, thanks again! <3



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